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Многу добар текст од страна на мојот(а и на неколку дечки од форумот) пријател Филип АНдроник(гоелм пријател на македонскиот стрип исто така)-кој неодамна доби прилика да пробно(како и голем дел автори од регионов) направи неколку страници за издавачката куќа марвел.Од муабетот ке видите дека моментално на таа прилика чекаат многу автори не само од балканот туку и од светот.Уште еднаш МСФ им посакува среќа на сите.

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interesno :)

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Супер се табливе, му посакувам многу среќа на Филип, како и на останатите наши познаници и пријатели, нашиот Сотировски, Маза и Чолак... Сите имаат големи шанси да работат за Марвел, бидејќи, како што гледам, во игра се повеќе различни јунаци и серијали, така што Филип пробно го прави Woolverine, Чолак Tor, Mаза пробува со Капетан Америка, а Сотировски со Punisher... што не значи дека нема да се изротираат, ова им се првите задачи... Јас им држам палци на сите, мерак ќе ми биде да ги гледам овие серијали во нивна изведба! ;) :

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...so sreca na site ..ama najvishe na nasiot.....................abe Zdrve go prochita li ova,...????


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Цебулски за хрватската стрип сцена.Инаку хрватските автори имаат фантастична соработка и почит од институциите кои се поврзани со стрип кај нив.Кај нас за жал до сега небеше така.
Интервјуто е од вечерњи лист




Među hrvatskim stripašima ovih je tjedana vladalo veliko uzbuđenje. Na nedavno održan festival stripa u Makarskoj američki gigant Marvel o svojem je trošku poslao urednika Chestera Cebulskog sa zadatkom da pronađe nove crtačke talente. On je odabrao čak sedmero autora, koji su dobili probne scenarije, a za dvojicu se pripremaju i prvi ugovori!

Kako se skaut jednog od najvećih svjetskih nakladnika stripa našao u maloj Hrvatskoj?

– Moj je posao prepoznati trendove. U SAD-u smo imali invaziju crtača iz Velike Britanije, nakon njih su nahrupili Talijani... Sad imamo sve više Hrvata u prvoj crtačkoj ligi. To je počelo s pokojnim Eddyjem Biukovićem, a danas na velikim projektima u Marvelu rade Esad Ribić, Tonći Zonjić i Goran Parlov. Primjećujem i vaše autore u drugim kućama, odličan je Goran Sudžuka u DC-ju te Stjepan Šejić u Top Cow. Očito je da se na hrvatskoj sceni nešto događa. Kad mi je Esad preporučio da dođem u Makarsku, odmah sam prihvatio. Hrvati su novi veliki hit.

Prepoznajete li neki poseban stil među hrvatskim crtačima?

– Dugo sam pokušavao odrediti tu zajedničku crtu u njima. Oni se koriste dinamikom kretanja, pa čak i fizionomijom iz starih Marvelovih stripova, no ona je naglašena teškom tintom i kadriranjem u kojem je očit utjecaj crno-bijelih Bonellijevih izdanja. Taj čudni spoj tipičan je za Hrvate.

Tko je od njih najdraži Marvelovim čitateljima?

– Rekao bih Esad, i to zbog radova u boji. Njegove vodene boje su nenadmašne, zrače aurom klasika, a publika ih guta. Jedini mu je problem sporost. Goran Parlov je također izgradio snažno ime, prije svega zbog rada na Punisheru. To ga je lansiralo među najcjenjenije crtače u SAD-u. Dakako, sad govorim samo o Marvelovim umjetnicima. Pogledajte što je Sudžuka napravio s “Y: The last man”. Kritičari obožavaju taj strip. Sudžuka je imao ključnu ulogu u održavanju serijala živim i privođenju uspješnom kraju.

Sad više ne govorite samo o crtežu. Kao skaut, koje kvalitete tražite u umjetnicima?

– Dramaturgija je na prvom mjestu, a stil tek na drugom. Ako crtač nema pripovjedački dar, za mene je beskoristan. U ljudima tražim i određen stav. Pokušavamo naći pouzdanu ali opuštenu ekipu koja će se uklopiti u naš način rada. Marvel je jako prijateljsko mjesto gdje je mnogo odgovornosti na samom crtaču.

Čudi me to što govorite, uvijek sam vas zamišljala kao hladnu, vrlo ozbiljnu korporaciju...

– Ne, baš naprotiv! DC je, recimo, stroga industrija. Esad kaže da je odlazak kod njih kao odlazak u banku. I zaista, tamo vlada vrlo korporativna atmosfera, svi su odvojeni po uredima, rade od 9 do 5. Mi smo mnogo opušteniji, zadržali smo tradiciju Stana Leeja i Marka Gruenwalda. Navečer zajedno izlazimo, naše žene su prijateljice, provodimo vikende skupa... Neformalniji smo od bilo koje tvrtke koju znam.

Koliko je vaša tvrtka uopće velika? Koliko je zaposlenih?

– Manje nego što svi misle. Imamo 250-300 ljudi. Od toga je 21 urednik, a oni su odgovorni za objavljivanje 75-90 naslova mjesečno. I tu mislim samo na mjesečne sveske, bez drugih izdanja.

Vaši rokovi moraju biti strašni.

– Da, užasno su kratki. Usto, način produkcije stripa u Americi se trenutačno jako mijenja. Nekad smo dobivali dvije stranice crteža olovkom na dan, što je podrazumijevalo normalan mjesečni ritam izlaženja. Dok je crtač radio na novim stranicama, drugi su za njim nanosili tintu i bojili ih. Sad crtači žele sve raditi sami. Zato tražimo nove umjetnike, da preuzmu dio posla. Recimo, ako radimo deset sveščica Iron Mana, imat ćemo dva crtača koji rade paralelno, a svaki će na kraju proizvesti pet sveščica.

Kad na jednom serijalu imate više crtača, oni baš nemaju mnogo umjetničke slobode...

– Činjenica je da njegujemo određen crtački stil, no i to varira od naslova do naslova. Zbog kupaca ne možemo imati puno stilskih oscilacija unutar serijala.

Ako zaposlite nekog od naših mladih autora, što će biti njihovi prvi zadaci?

– Tri su moguća scenarija. Većina crtača dobije probni scenarij, nešto kao ispit koji se ne plaća, ali otvara vrata. Bolja solucija je da dobiju plaćeni posao na malom projektu od osam stranica. Iznimno rijetko, ali ne i nemoguće, jest da im urednik odmah povjeri posao glavnog crtača na nekom serijalu. To se dogodilo ljudima koje sam doveo iz Italije.

A kakva je početna plaća?

– To ovisi o dogovoru. Trenutačni je standard između 100 i 150 dolara za olovku. Nanošenje tinte zatim košta od 80 do 100 dolara, a boja još 60-100 dolara po stranici. Manji nakladnici plaćaju oko 50 dolara za olovku i tintu.

Kažete da su se honorari promijenili. Osjećaju li nakladnici teret recesije i prodora mange?

– To je jako čudno, ali Marvel trenutačno bilježi velik rast prodaje. Pomoglo nam je digitalno tržište. Imamo online biblioteku, naša aplikacija za iPhone je među tri najpopularnije u svijetu. Kad se pojavio iPad, koji jako mijenja pravila igre, imali smo već spremnu aplikaciju koja je omogućavala skidanje nekoliko stripova besplatno. Obično je riječ o prva dva broja, nakon čega vas upućujemo na tiskana izdanja. Prodavačima to jako odgovara, stalno nam javljaju o novim kupcima koji su se navukli na strip preko iPada.

Dakle, ne bojite se izumiranja tiska?

– Nimalo. Posebno je uzbuđenje držati strip u rukama. To je stvar kolekcionarstva, a ne samo čitanja. Mnogima su tjedni odlazak u striparnicu i druženje velik dio doživljaja. Kolekcionarski je mentalitet toliko snažan da ljudi kupuju po nekoliko različitih formata istog stripa –- prvo sveščice, pa albume, a sad su tome dodali i digitalne verzije. Triput će platiti istu epizodu.

A što je s internetskim piratstvom? Mnogo je skeniranih stripova na internetu...

– Ono utječe na čitavu industriju zabave. Dajemo sve od sebe u borbi protiv najbesramnijih kradljivaca, no čim zatvorimo jednu rupu, pojavi se nova. Moj je stav da nam pirati pomažu kao produžena marketinška ruka. Baš kao čitatelji s iPada, dio onih koji pročitaju piratizirani strip na internetu svejedno će ga poslije kupiti. Također, ako netko čita piratsko izdanje Spidarmena i voli ga, na kraju će možda kupiti figuricu ili majicu Spidermana.

Koliko zarađujete na takvim popratnim proizvodima?

– Nisam siguran za točan iznos, no najveći dio svojih prihoda Marvel ostvaruje upravo od licencija i popratnih proizvoda!

Za kraj, možemo li dobiti mali pogled u budućnost Marvelovih izdanja?

– Čujte, popularnost naslova jako se mijenja. X Men dugo su bili najunosnija franšiza. Filmska ekranizacija gurnula je Spidermana na prvo mjesto, a potom Iron Mana. Mogu natuknuti da bi se X Men uskoro mogli vratiti na tron. Tome će pomoći i velika tajna o njihovu podrijetlu koju ćemo uskoro otkriti. Što se generalnih trendova tiče, predviđam veće autorsko šarenilo. Namjeravamo “uvesti” veći broj scenarista iz drugih medija. Među njima će biti mnogo žena jer, zahvaljujući mangi, tržište bilježi rastući trend ženske publike. Tzv. “girl comics”, iza kojih su potpuno ženski timovi, novi su trend. Tu je golem tržišni potencijal koji želimo iskoristiti.


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...Goce druze...kaki poece ...mene mi vrshat rabota ti pari ..samo so nesum marvel crtac...mene se mi e nekako na zaebancija...
..ce mora da se nvezbueme.....


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pa mislev na toa deka marvel se lideri vo strip industrijata, i zarabotuvaat dosta dobri pari...
sega ok, ako stavis deka se raboti samo za moliv, dobro, ama na pr. dobar direktor na fotografija (vo mk!!!) zarabotuva od 300 evra na den pa nagore.
ok, nema sekoj den takvi proekti, i samo trojca se so taa tarifa, ama muabetot mi bese ako go gledas kako dnevnica, znaci crtac ne moze da stigne do takva suma duri i vo marvel, osven ako se raboti za zvezda, bidejki pretpostavuvam deka nekoi jaki faci sepak zemaat i povekje....

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..Goce...zajebi brat jaka para...........ja kakov sum do jaka para ne doadjam.....
..taka da mene tie pari mi izgledaat epten jako....


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Konkretnite ceni nema shansi da gi kazhi koj bilo koj drzhi do sebe vo ovaa industrija-posebno vo firma kako MArvel.
Toa se startni ceni za pocetnici-ponatamu se plakjaat i po nekolku pati pogolemi ceni+prava od likovi,tirazh i slichno.
Vo francija se naplakja od 50 do 200+ evra strana+procent od tirazh+shto popoznat avtor poveke kesh.
Cenite se startni-ama koj vlegol ne izlegol so prazni race.
Inaku sve sto zemam od amazoni a i od sosedstvoto prvo go kinam od net-da go prelistam dali chini-sve sto imam posledno go imam digital i hard copy......
Samo budala vo deneshno vreme ne bi gi iskoristila blagodetite na internetot.

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...mico druze...ko vlegol ..so sreca neka mu e ...mnogu mali se shansite za vleguenje..........abe ...samo so se vtrativ od svadba.......
....so najmnogu mrazam da idam.......a vikash ..chat pat se faca nekoj denar..???!!!1


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Sekoj koj raboti i e dobar vo svojata profesija sigurno i ke bidi dobro platen.
Mora da se raboti mnogu,da ima kvalitet i rezultatite sami ke dojdat.
AKo nekoj misli deka neshto odnebo ke mu dojdi ili ko sto tropaa nashite nesrekjni drugarcinja deka tenderi i neznam tamu koj ke ti dava pari za lepe oci-se zaebal gadno.
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...abe kakvi tenderi ...ja se zdrobiv od raboteje gluposti so ne me intereirat......
...samo si go izgubiv remeto za da go rabotam ona so sakam da go rabotam..


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ebago...
nikogash ne e kasno za nishto.
zato sme tele nacija-polnish 50 godini primer oj vo penzija-a babite od zapad na fakultete se zapishvat.
rabotata sekogash se isplakja-barem za keif.

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..e da kejfot ..golem e....so niedni pari ne se placa...


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Evo uste nekoi pravila za rabota vo MArvel.
ZNaci ne mora dase ceka lovec na talenti-marvel ima sajt na koj moze da im gi pratite vashite raboti-normalno ako se tashak nema ni da gi vidat nit da vi vratat.
I dobri se pravilava opshto zemeno ne samo za marvel:


* When and if sending an editor samples pages, always save as JPEGs and keep all files under 300K.
* PDFs are cool too, but try and keep them around 2MB tops. Last thing you wanna do is crash an editor’s inbox.
* And limit attachments to your 5 or 6 best pieces. If the editor wants to see more, he/she will ask you to send more.
* Yes, a link to a blog with your art would always be recommended over attachments to begin with.
* Sorry, writers, but I’m offering advice for artists. Maybe some of the editors here can chime in and help you guys?
* Blogs are always structured chronologically with newest posts first which is another reason I recommend them.
* Yes, it’s definitely harder for writers than artists to break into comics these days, in my opinion.
* And when I say “breaking into comics”, I’m generally referring to working for the more major mainstream publishers.
* Truth be told, it’s easier than ever for anyone to “break into comics” via webcomics and self-publishing these days.
* The internet &/or print-on-demand services mean anyone with an idea, motivation & a little $ can bring a comic to life.
* Barely anyone has “broken in” at Marvel or DC directly. We always say it’s better to be published elsewhere first.
* I always recommend people make comics, whether it’s for themselves or to try and break in professionally.
* It’s easier than ever for writers to find artists, and vice versa, here on the net. (cont.)
* Like Digital Webbing, Deviant Art, conceptart.org, and lots of creator boards, like Bendis and Millar, to name a few.
* The question of digital art vs. on the board is a question each artist needs to answer for themselves.
* Makes no difference to the editor or publisher really. How you create your art is your business.
* Yes, “good, fast or nice.” If you’re two of the three, you can get a job in comics, as the saying goes.
* I can almost guarantee you that my idea of being “Marvel ready” and an up-an-coming artist’s idea of “Marvel ready” are totally different.
* The two main things we look for are style and storytelling. Speed is something we learn and judge later.
* I don’t really know as I don’t recruit writers or review their work, but I would assume so.
* Bad storytelling is bad even w/ the flashiest finish. Good ST is good w/ a crayon.
* Got my first “where does a nobody like you get off giving advice on breaking into comics” note. Must’ve been from someone I didn’t hire.
* If your work gets picked for review at a con, it means yours was one of the better drop-offs the Marvel editors saw.
* Sample pages = TEST pages. They’re a means for artists to “try out” for an editor. They’re not a guarantee of work.
* If you have published work, it’s better to send the editor the actual books than links to the stories online.
* The most important thing to remember about working in comics is that THIS IS A JOB!
* Your portfolio is your resume. Talks with editors are your job interviews. Be professional.
* Yes, working in comics is a lot of fun, but it’s still work and has to be approached as such.
* No need to dress up to meet editors at cons. It’s more about acting professionally. Showering helps tho. :)
* Proper etiquette for following up with an editor after a meeting at a con? I recommend the rule of 4 Ps. (cont.)
* Be persistent. Be patient. Don’t be pushy. Don’t be a pain-in-the-ass.
* Wait a week to send out your initial e-mail. No attachments. Follow-up two weeks later if you don’t hear back.
* Then just send updates letting the editor know what you’re up to every 4 – 6 weeks. Never more than once a month.
* Yup, everything I say here may be common sense, but you have no idea how many people don’t get it right.
* I’d say the Rule of 4 Ps applies to both artists and writers.
* It’s interesting, in discussing it over beers last night, we all seemed to agree that writers tend to be much pushier than artists.
* We also noticed an increase in the disturbing trend of “editor fishing” going on of late.
* Editor fishing = Telling Editor #1 you’re coming to the office for a meeting with Editor #2 when you don’t actually have an appointment.
* This done in hopes of Editor #1 not checking with Editor #2, thereby tricking him into letting you into offices for a meeting you never had.
* Oh, yeah… people just show up at the Marvel offices all the time. The receptionists are experts at dealing with it!
* Although there was one time Dave Finch dropped by unannounced to drop off pages and they didn’t believe him or let him in. :(
* You’d be surprised. There’re 2 writers famous for it & always manage to pull it off. They usually pull it on new editors.
* Oh, editors check, but you’ll find comics people are very forgiving of talent and always like to believe the best in creators.
* No, wearing a Marvel t-shirt to a con will not improve your chance of getting a meeting with a Marvel editor.
* You know, this is actually working. Gotten lots of e-mails and replies with intros and links to sweet art blogs. Cool!
* Who knows… maybe Marvel will soon have our first Twitter hire?
* Again, I am not trying to pick on or deny new writers opportunities. It’s just not part of my job. NOT what I do. I’m Marvel’s artist guy.
* I come across many new artists via links on creator blogs. So new artists, get your pro friends to start linking to you.
* There have more new opportunities for new writers at Marvel these past two years than ever before. I see a new name at least every month.
* Astonishing Tales, X-Men Manifest Destiny, MCP… almost every issue debuts as new voice that the editors have discovered.
* Looking at the new issue of Astonishing Tales, there are two new writers in there. One who had a short story in MCP, one making his debut.
* Marvel also has new writer specific one-shots that they do to test run new writers who they think have the chops to write for Marvel.
* I know for a fact Axel Alonso hired an up-and-coming writer he likes just this past Thursday for a Punisher one-shot of this nature.
* He’d been following this writer’s work at few other publishers, read his newest issue, thought he’d found his voice, and called him.
* Yes, these gigs are on short stories, one-shots and maybe not the best sellers, so you might not hear read them or hear about these guys.
* But the point is the chances are now out there. Systems are in places at Marvel to get new writers in on a regular basis. More so than ever.
* “New” meaning “new to Marvel”, yes. Which brings up another myth I’ll be happy to dispel re: screenwriters and novelists at Marvel. (cont.)
* Just because they work in another entertainment medium, that doesn’t mean they have an automatic in at Marvel. Far from the case.
* TV/movie/novel writing is very different from comic writing. Writing for an artist, understand the pacing, etc., are completely different.
* And the editors at Marvel know and understand this. Any writer from Hollywood or literature has to try out just like any other new writer.
* Yes, you may see more names crossing over into comics these days, but the door wasn’t magically just opened for them.
* Maybe they get more “buzz” due to their other writing, but that’s to be expected. But they now write in comic cuz they KNOW and LOVE comics.
* You know, I’d bet there were more “new” writers than “Hollywood” writers hired by Marvel in 2008. You just never heard of the newer guys.
* Yes, you can sit here and argue and debate every point I bring up about breaking into comics, but really… what’s the point?
* You don’t like what I have to say? Feel free to ignore me. Follow your own path. Break in your own way. Please.
* My opinions and advice are my own, formed from personal experience. I pass it on with only the best of intention. I’m only trying to help.
* Oh, I don’t mind. I know I’m just a Marvel corporate stooge to some people, doing spin control to covering up the big Marvel conspiracy.
* “I’ve got the best ideas for (insert Marvel character here) since Stan Lee and Marvel won’t publish them cuz they’re scared I’m so good!”
* Oh, you found us out. You’re so good that we’re keeping you down just so we don’t have to fire hacks like @BRIANMBENDIS & @mattfraction!
* None of this sours me on Twitter or the internet in any way. I’ve been getting it for years and expect it. Makes me smile actually.
* And I’m saving it all for my book. The chapter on how NOT to break into comics continues to grow on an almost daily basis. :)
* Yes, breaking into comics really can be murder. :)
* Most of the comments I’ve been getting have been via e-mail and DMs actually. I guess people want me to see them but not make them public.
* And as some seem to have missed the point, the tweets about a Marvel conspiracy and me calling my friends Brian and Matt hacks WERE A JOKE!
* Woke up to inboxes full of material ripe for Twittering about!
* First and foremost, don’t use the current “global economic crisis” as an attempt to get work. It’s not just you who’s suffering financially.
* Comic jobs are given based on talent, not economic need. Can’t believe I had 2 e-mails trying to guilt me into work! What’re you thinking?!
* There are plenty of already established pencilers who have fallen on hard times and who are out there looking for work as well.
* And we’re more than likely to call up and offer a gig to a pro we’ve worked with before and know we can trust.
* I don’t care if “I’m new and hungry and will work cheaper than the other pencilers out there because I desperately need money to get by.”
* And another thing, if you happen to find out personal details about an editor, don’t try and use them as an in to get work.
* (And I’m not saying this about me as I put all my shit out here online and am always happy to talk about anything I post.)
* But I’ve heard from other editors how artists at portfolio reviews, complete strangers mind you, asked about their wife and/or kids by name.
* Or knew where they went to college. Or challenged them to a game of one-on-one as they heard the editor liked basketball.
* There’s a line between the personal and the professional. Between being friendly and being creepy. Just know where it is and don’t cross it.
* The number one piece of advice I give newer, up-and-coming artists: stick to the grid! There’s nothing more important in my opinion.
* And for those that haven’t seen it, here’s “Wally Wood’s 22 Panels That Always Work”: http://tinyurl.com/lcgqu
* Second piece of advice I always find myself giving newbies: Don’t break the panel borders. It’s distracting and usually not necessary.
* New pencilers often make the mistake of breaking borders to add dynamicism to a page but it usually just confuses their storytelling.
* Third piece of advice, don’t neglect your panel borders and gutters. They are an important part of your page that are often forgotten.
* Fourth piece of advice, don’t forget that word balloons and SFX need to go on the page. Make sure you include them in your initial layouts.
* Sounds obvious, I know, but there are even pros I know who don’t always take them into account and complain when their art gets covered up.
* And my last piece of advice for new pencilers today, don’t attempt to draw in any sound effects. They’ll only serve to clutter your art.
* Certain artists, like Adam Kubert, are masters at it, but it’s an art to be learned. Tell the story first without cluttering your pages.
* And as I’m just a lowly writer & talent scout, I would greatly appreciate any artists here jumping in with advice/experiences of their own.
* As Hollywood’s invaded and San Diego’s grown, it’s not the best con to try and meet editors and show your portfolio at anymore.
* Unfortunately, there’s no real set answer to that. “Marvel ready” is a subjective term. When I see, I know… that’s about it.
* I discovered @skottieyoung ’s artwork simply walking thru Artists Alley in Chicago, so I always recommend new artists get tables at cons.

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dada, eve mico ubavo odgovori deka ova se pocetni sumi... plus bonusi ova ona, taman e smetkata vaka :D

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Kaj niv e ok smetkava, kaj nas se izvrteni rabotive :D DOP kaj nas zema skoro evropska dnevnica... inaku zimaat i povekje od 300...

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ako rabotis za marvel, imas dovolna osnova za bataluvanje se drugo :D

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